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Doctor Reacts to Middle Ground: Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine

I wish there was just more compassion no we don't want to make something difficult we just want to be acknowledged my daughter was a victim and she's being punished hey guys welcome to another episode of the Wednesday checkup sorry we're in the crazy furry rug space here today at YouTube but I wanted to get this video out as soon as possible when I heard that there was a video made between anti-vaccine pro-vaccine folks I decided to watch it and give you my reaction live right here first time watching it I'm Bob Sears I'm a pediatrician a pediatrician who is anti vaccine interesting his passion is just to help encourage full complete and foreign consent for vaccinations doesn't sound like he's anti vaccine he said he's in favor of informed consent I think all doctors at least they should be for informed consent curious where this is going well I was vaccinated as a child but my last vaccine was about 15 years ago when I returned to college and I had a severe reaction and that I became arthritic in my hands went to many many doctors and nobody knew what was going on and why it was happening and then just shot like it doesn't make sense you're too young to have arthritis and it wasn't until having kids and sort of digging into my own research for them that a lot of answers started coming up and I think it's unfortunate that a lot of it is overlooked I guess maybe I'll participate in this this could be a cool way to do it I am vaccinated if I were to have children they'd be vaccinated and I am a doctor who's pro vaccine becoming an anti vaccine activist based on your own experience of having a negative outcome to a vaccine to me is not wise and I'll point out why I believe that if you look at the statistical evidence between the harms that can come from vaccines because there are some harms and then you look at what you're preventing essentially what are the benefits what diseases are you preventing by getting a vaccine there's so much benefit they're horrible that the mother and activists had this thing happened to her but it shouldn't be the sole reason for why someone believes that vaccines are bad and they're anti-vaccine I will acknowledge of course as a pediatrician I know vaccines work I know they give you protection today they vary greatly and what that protection is it's not like 100% magical shield over you completely I don't understand where this doctor falls under anti vaccine if that's his stance I think when you're giving kids medication you have to get micro about it I don't think it's doing your kids any service to just save X scenes are all made the same and they're all safe and healthy good for you that everybody's benefiting from it because she's right Falls well we studied them before we released them to the public we study them so we do know they're safe that's the thing is we ish safer you know being an intensive acai see the worst of the worst and so seeing the other side of kids who don't get vaccinated I saw a kid walking in with meningococcemia which I haven't seen in decades he had all four limbs cut off they had to be amputated because it was all dead tissue and forget how bad things were before we had vaccines I'm really proud that the intensivists took this route because many times subspecialists will often run to talking about statistics or studies and research and to people who are not of scientific education it's difficult to relate to that but when you tell a powerful story like he just did that really strikes the message home that children are dying they're losing limbs unnecessarily I agree with the mother on the vaccine issue this shouldn't be a macro issue this is a micro issue each vaccine should be evaluated but the truth of the matter is is they are we don't just say all vaccines are good we look at each individual vaccine each individual vaccine has a different set of adverse reactions aka bad things that can happen as a result of getting them but again the trade-off in taking the risk of having one of these adverse reactions is the protection from the disease that we hope to prevent or even eradicate at times I don't like the assumption that if a child is unvaccinated somehow they are of risk to everyone and also knowing that vaccinated individuals can also be caring and spreading diseases I think it's very polarizing to separate the two as if if you're vaccinated you're totally fine you're not risking anybody anything I disagree with her because if you're vaccinated it doesn't mean you're not risking anyone it means when you're vaccinated you're doing your job to protect those who cannot be vaccinated it doesn't mean that you're a great person it doesn't speak to your lack of ability to do harm but that's not what the point of the issue is the point of the issue is if you choose not to vaccinate your children and you're okay with your child getting measles or one of these illnesses what about the children that have an immunodeficiency or have some sort of other issue that they can't get vaccines and as a result of that your child then spreads a deadly illness to them and they die too anybody could be spreading diseases especially things like polio and pertussis that are not completely covered by the vaccine again I agree that not everybody's covered but if you can reduce that likelihood why wouldn't you I started out vaccinating my daughter because I believed all the same things that you said it wasn't until she had a reaction and several reactions that I actually had to look at it differently where I I realized by continuing vaccinating for her that actually would hurt her and yet everyone wants me to do it for the population this is a very specific situation this is where things get tricky if you're having adverse reactions to vaccines I don't think there's any doctor in the world who says continue getting vaccines to protect all of us it doesn't matter if the vaccines hurt your daughter in fact one of the first questions I ask before I administer vaccines is have you ever had adverse events what were they and we investigate them prior to giving vaccines if your child for some reason cannot get a vaccine because of adverse events you fall into the population that needs to be protected by herd immunity a number of families who look into vaccines they will decide to opt out of vaccines because they feel they are just not willing to risk the side-effects for the side effects or the side effects are like one in a million one or two million whereas the side effects from the diseases when I see all these outbreaks and things like I'm gonna choose vaccines every time and that's I think right there is the disservice to this conversation because it is a risk benefit analysis and what's unfortunate is how downplayed those risks are I only started investigating vaccines because I ended up with a kid with an autoimmune disorder autoimmune disorders have been present before vaccinations work what's interesting here is yes it may not be one in a million or one and two million whatever the odds are the bottom line of why it shouldn't be an optional thing of opting out from vaccines when at least when it comes to public schools is because a herd immunity exists be it's my job as the doctor to make sure the parent is giving quality care to the child if the child had a broken bone and the parent wasn't adequately treating it and didn't want to go see a doctor and the child was suffering as a result I can report them to the proper authorities it doesn't mean that because they're your child you can just do whatever so by not getting vaccinations it's medically and statistically proven that you're endangering your child to develop these deadly diseases therefore we don't allow you to opt out at least we don't allow you to opt out from schools and that's sort of our catch-all behind this the one in a million is not a real number and so you're more that that is put out is it so people think that no it's not not when you're talking about the different kind of reactions I think the number you're referring to is anaphylactic shock that anaphylactic shock is of course extremely rare whereas you when you look at seizures from the MMR vaccine are one in 3,000 but again is creative ear when we worry what we worry that you get those on your side kind of downplay those we don't necessarily downplay them we weigh them against the benefits of getting the vaccine and if you're getting a vaccine is preventing you from getting an illness which vaccines have been proven over time to do this the one in 3,000 statistic is difficult to conceptualize for a parent because they don't know how often the actual disease occurs as a result of this we as doctors make the recommendation that taking the one in 3,000 risk of having a seizure is worth it to prevent this deadly illness from happening I don't think it's an idea of downplay I think it comes back to what we were saying with the risk benefit analysis and I think the data is very clear it's so hard not to talk about data when you're talking about vaccines as a doctor but unfortunately when you're trying to influence someone and you're trying to change their mind on something doesn't work well and I imagine this is gonna fall on deaf ears to trust someone who sees your child for 10 minutes twice a year in the end parents know their children best I actually very much disagree with that statement the closer you are in relation to the patient the more likely that your bias is going to be at play you're not going to be able to make an objective decision this is why it's strongly discouraged in the medical community to take care of your own family members as a doctor because your judgment gets clouded and you make bad decisions so if you were to come to your doctor and say hey my child's acting differently after this this well visit appointment something's wrong you want them to trust that you have an established relationship and listen to you she's absolutely right if a parent brings in a child and says they're acting differently that's a huge warning sign and any doctor that brushes that off and says aha I disagree that's a bad sign from a doctor I would actually recommend switching doctors or in the room if you're comfortable pointing that out to the doctor that you don't think that's the right method and you're not comfortable if they don't welcome your criticism or your thoughts on the matter switch doctors it's really that simple my daughter has epilepsy and in March she was also diagnosed with juvenile idiopathic arthritis I went to the rheumatologist and the rheumatologist said we're gonna put her on methotrexate and I looked at her I'm like methotrexate that's a chemotherapy the Kimber therapeutic agent that you know kids with cancer get and she's like yes but we use it in a low dose and it doesn't cause harmful side effects you have to trust me I said okay and I trusted her and I am so glad that I did before all this happened she was a competitive gymnast and she used to walk up and down the stairs like she was 90 years old she couldn't hold a pencil in her hand now she's back on the bars and back on the on the beam doing things which my wife and I never thought that she would do again I'm so proud of these doctors that they're coming in and really avoiding digging into data and numbers and confusing and confounding the conversation further they're telling personal stories they're making it emotional they're making it reasonable because this is how you resonate with another human being it's not about pointing at a pie chart the people who refuse to acknowledge that vaccine reactions are happening or that the things that happened to my daughter were connected because maybe it was just a coincidence and I just needed something to pin it on you are socially isolated you can be isolated by your family isolated by the medical community community isolated by society as a whole because they assume you're unintelligent uneducated and irrational I don't think we should become hostile to anti-vaxxers I think the the role here is to be compassionate and when a patient tells me something that I know to be misinformation I don't get mad at the patient the feelings that I get are oh man I'm it's so unfortunate that you've come to believe that and this is what I say to myself in my head how can I find a common ground between us so that I can explain to you what's actually happening or what the right steps are to fix this situation I think where hostility really kicks in is now when a single person refuses to vaccinate their children but when they become activists to try and encourage other people to not vaccinate their children that sort of misinformation spreading is really dangerous and that's where it deserves to be struck down right away because if you're not going to be talking about quality evidence you're gonna be talking about expert opinion you're just doing a huge disservice to a lot of families I have a great deal of compassion for the families that had children die from preventable diseases there shouldn't be any hostility there should be discussion I mean we can always question things and that's how we of all that's how we get better if we didn't question anything we'd be still in the dark ages a huge fan of that doctor I'm glad they did this but I am also gonna be a little bit of a skeptic here the people that were invited from the anti-vaccine side were very reasonable they were very logical they talked about their own experiences if they invited the people that are shouting in front of doctors offices if they invited the true activists that think doctors are killing people if they invite some of the people that email me telling me that I'm killing babies and that I need to watch certain pieces of propaganda that they're spreading around Val have been a totally different conversation it would have been hostile it would have been explosive the only way that we can control the situation is by educating those people that are in the middle ground now by telling them what to do but by educating them by explaining how look how horrible it was before we had vaccines talk to the w-h-o and let them tell you how many lives are lost every minute when children don't have money to get a vaccine we are blessed to live in a time and in a country where vaccines are made affordable to us made available to us in fact we have a program in my hospital called vaccine for children that if you don't even have insurance coverage we still get vaccines for these children these are government-aided programs that are not-for-profit they're for protection of children that's what vaccines are all about they're about protecting children they're about making sure that we get the best outcomes possible and we continue to monitor this if new research occurs that vaccines have a new side effect that we weren't aware of we take this into account and we update our recommendations but as of right now the benefits outweigh the harms when it comes to vaccines and you should vaccinate your children just as I will mine in the future and I recommend the same to all my patients if you're still curious to learn more about vaccines click here for my vaccine video as always stay happy and healthy [Music]

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